Originally posted by Danny.Williams
I'd prefer that ODWC attempt bass stocking to appease bass fisherman than to cut off hybrid stockings.
If I were a black bass fanatic, I'd sure be curious at to what the effect would be if the hybrids were gone, irregardless of what I was told by the experts.
Show me, I'd say. LOL
This is a very good option in my opinion.
Actually hybrids and largemouth have co-existed there since the lake was impounded, Skiatook was brought up in stages to allow for extra bank growth in effect creating a nursery for its first few years with newly flooded vegetation --
What NO ONE seems to understand - A good largemouth lake is also full of sunfish, also an indication of a fertile lake -- if you can walk along a lakes bank and see sunfish scuttle away its going to have good largemouth in it.
Skiatook likely(unless some grass establishes) will remain marginal largemouth water.
I bugs me that when any morones are stocked its USUALLY toward the end of a lakes productive life , when its overrun with shad and carp/buffalo - and Morones take the blame for the downturn in Largemouth bass - when in truth they utiilize bigger forage and keep forage small enough to benefit all fish.
White Bass will eventually have a detrimental effect on Skiatook, and when white perch arrive (not if) it will change again -- the only REAL apex predator in Skiatook are stocked hybrid striper - Largemouth are NOT a good control fish --
I think it would be just peachy if they quit stocking Skiatook with hybrid for several years - and only stock "supplemental" Florida Bass.
Lakes like Skiatook only survive on inland silverside as its primary forage fish, which is WHY spotted bass and Smallmouth do better than Largemouth there. Gizzard shad are not abundant in Skiatook except in the very upper muddy arms where its just a little more fertile.
I believe its bogus to say that spotted bass are the reason for largemouth decline on Skiatook, because I know many OLD excellent Largemouth lakes where both exist and get big - Largemouth declined as the fertility of Skiatook declined with age -- and with no grass, recruitment of fry is almost non-existant -- hence Gene et al jump starting and bypassing competitive fry stage with rearing pond fingerlings -
Skip over to any of the small impoundments between Skiatook and Sooner or for that matter those around Sand Springs to Bixby, all built in similar clay/rock soils and all poor largemouth lakes.
Sooner being an exception - same soil but its now full of about five different kind of submergent aquatic vegetation, its warm enough in winter that threadfin survive, and whats WEIRD with zebra mussels, and white perch the forage fish actually seem to be doing better - but that just may be because the weeds came back thick this year - more places for forage to hide -- I've seen a TON of small Largemouth on Sooner this year so they had a good crop this spring, and all of the fish are in excellent body shape right now --
Someone brought up Grand - its an extremely fertile lake due to nitrogen and phosporous loading dumped into the water shed from Kansas and septic systems surrounding the lake - same for Gibson, ton of nutrients dumped around Choteau bend - otherwise they would both long ago ceased to be productive Largemouth fisheries --
Which also reminds me that when they fill Sooner all summer from the Arkansas the fertility shoots way up - weeds and fish do better --
The grand experiment is on at Sooner, since zebras showed up and white perch showed up here are my anecdotal observations
Hybrids are generally shallower much of the year
White perch have not yet taken over the lake, but I do see HUGE schools of 2" white perch on the water surface on calm days
Drum populations have exploded - and I find small drum as additional forage in a lot of fish stomachs, two to one over small white perch
Bass and Bigger Morones are eating small white perch, but not at a rate that will control them
Grass which literally disappeared four years ago is back with a vengance, I have observed bream making a comeback, lots more threadfin this year, as well as an increase in observed silversides, have even recently seen a lot of big gizzard shad -- maybe , just maybe doom and gloom won't become a fact at Sooner as long as the grass stays around.
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