Supplemental stocking of Largemouth Bass
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Posted on Wednesday Sep 12, 2012 at 3:47 PM  
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I'd prefer that ODWC attempt bass stocking to appease bass fisherman than to cut off hybrid stockings.
If I were a black bass fanatic, I'd sure be curious at to what the effect would be if the hybrids were gone, irregardless of what I was told by the experts.
Show me, I'd say. LOL

This is a very good option in my opinion.
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Posted on Wednesday Sep 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM  
Well if they don't life the burn ban, instead of the huge fire, do they still do that, or massive mulching plan for Christmas trees have the city of Tulsa ship them all to Skiatook. After a few years maybe that would help a little.
Posted on Wednesday Sep 12, 2012 at 10:46 PM  
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Originally posted by Danny.Williams

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I'd prefer that ODWC attempt bass stocking to appease bass fisherman than to cut off hybrid stockings.
If I were a black bass fanatic, I'd sure be curious at to what the effect would be if the hybrids were gone, irregardless of what I was told by the experts.
Show me, I'd say. LOL

This is a very good option in my opinion.



Actually hybrids and largemouth have co-existed there since the lake was impounded, Skiatook was brought up in stages to allow for extra bank growth in effect creating a nursery for its first few years with newly flooded vegetation --

What NO ONE seems to understand - A good largemouth lake is also full of sunfish, also an indication of a fertile lake -- if you can walk along a lakes bank and see sunfish scuttle away its going to have good largemouth in it.

Skiatook likely(unless some grass establishes) will remain marginal largemouth water.

I bugs me that when any morones are stocked its USUALLY toward the end of a lakes productive life , when its overrun with shad and carp/buffalo - and Morones take the blame for the downturn in Largemouth bass - when in truth they utiilize bigger forage and keep forage small enough to benefit all fish.

White Bass will eventually have a detrimental effect on Skiatook, and when white perch arrive (not if) it will change again -- the only REAL apex predator in Skiatook are stocked hybrid striper - Largemouth are NOT a good control fish --

I think it would be just peachy if they quit stocking Skiatook with hybrid for several years - and only stock "supplemental" Florida Bass.

Lakes like Skiatook only survive on inland silverside as its primary forage fish, which is WHY spotted bass and Smallmouth do better than Largemouth there. Gizzard shad are not abundant in Skiatook except in the very upper muddy arms where its just a little more fertile.

I believe its bogus to say that spotted bass are the reason for largemouth decline on Skiatook, because I know many OLD excellent Largemouth lakes where both exist and get big - Largemouth declined as the fertility of Skiatook declined with age -- and with no grass, recruitment of fry is almost non-existant -- hence Gene et al jump starting and bypassing competitive fry stage with rearing pond fingerlings -

Skip over to any of the small impoundments between Skiatook and Sooner or for that matter those around Sand Springs to Bixby, all built in similar clay/rock soils and all poor largemouth lakes.

Sooner being an exception - same soil but its now full of about five different kind of submergent aquatic vegetation, its warm enough in winter that threadfin survive, and whats WEIRD with zebra mussels, and white perch the forage fish actually seem to be doing better - but that just may be because the weeds came back thick this year - more places for forage to hide -- I've seen a TON of small Largemouth on Sooner this year so they had a good crop this spring, and all of the fish are in excellent body shape right now --

Someone brought up Grand - its an extremely fertile lake due to nitrogen and phosporous loading dumped into the water shed from Kansas and septic systems surrounding the lake - same for Gibson, ton of nutrients dumped around Choteau bend - otherwise they would both long ago ceased to be productive Largemouth fisheries --

Which also reminds me that when they fill Sooner all summer from the Arkansas the fertility shoots way up - weeds and fish do better --
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The grand experiment is on at Sooner, since zebras showed up and white perch showed up here are my anecdotal observations

Hybrids are generally shallower much of the year

White perch have not yet taken over the lake, but I do see HUGE schools of 2" white perch on the water surface on calm days

Drum populations have exploded - and I find small drum as additional forage in a lot of fish stomachs, two to one over small white perch

Bass and Bigger Morones are eating small white perch, but not at a rate that will control them

Grass which literally disappeared four years ago is back with a vengance, I have observed bream making a comeback, lots more threadfin this year, as well as an increase in observed silversides, have even recently seen a lot of big gizzard shad -- maybe , just maybe doom and gloom won't become a fact at Sooner as long as the grass stays around.

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Posted on Wednesday Sep 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM  
It is interesting. What's next at Sooner? Will the white perch peak and collapse at the lack of sizeable forage?
Will you guys get your dream wish and Sooner becomes a trophy lake managed for bigger fish that can digest larger forage?
I'm actually excited to see what happens there.

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Posted on Wednesday Sep 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM  
All I know is that its going to be a fun fall/winter at the walk in
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Posted on Thursday Sep 13, 2012 at 4:52 PM  
Hybrids and largemouth bass have co-existed in Skiatook Lake, but they do not occupy the same area in the lake. Largemouth bass hang out in the litoral zone, or the shallow area associated with the shoreline, while the hybrids occupy the open water zone on the lake. Many bass fishermen have a bad taste in their mouths when the word hybrd comes up because they believe that this large predator eats most of their bass fingerlings.
ODWC biologists have conducted research on this issue on Lake Keystone in the 1980s and the findings have let the hybrid off the "Hook" (pun). Striped bass were found to primarily consume gizzard shad when stomach samples were analyzed (>90%) and other game fish made up a VERY SMALL percentage of which crappie led the list.

Sooner will be an interesting lake to watch in the next 5 years. The white perch invasion has already had some dramatic effects to the fisheries. WP are egg predators and will consume forage and game fish egss in large numbers. However, they also have been found in very large abundances along the shorelines in the spring at Sooner consuming small fry fish. Largemouth bass that are age 1 have declined in number when compared to past electrofishing surveys which is disturbing. If this trend continues, the abundance of adult bass will follow suit and become lower in numbers.
Our strategy has followed the Kansas strategy to stock more predators and in time, get them to bigger sizes to help control WP numbers. We have re-introduced Saugeye back into Sooner Lake as they are more prone to consume WP in their diet. Time will tell how this unfolds, but I am hopefull....
Posted on Friday Sep 14, 2012 at 9:01 AM  
I can tell ya Bill the saugeye stock is working well - I caught six in six consecutive casts in 28' of water on south side of dam, all looked like cookie cutters, all 16" long and as fat as pigs

They were under a large white perch school, and all caught on 2" white jiggin spoons. Yer babies are apparently doin fine.
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Posted on Friday Sep 14, 2012 at 11:15 AM  
That's great news Tony! 16 inches is fantastic growth for saugeye approaching their second growing season! Next time someone catches a keeper, let me know what you find in his stomach, hopefully it will be White Perch! We really hit it hard in 2011, stocking 108,688 fry and 500,000 fry! There ought to be a bunch of them in Sooner!
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