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Posted on Friday Dec 14, 2012 at 3:50 PM  
Oklahoma law has a line on the use of sportfish for bait, and divides the line on whether they are caught in a net or rod and reel. Logic would tell us the net in not ok due to the potential detriment to sportfish populations. Could that potentially be a problem with the rod and reel sportfish for bait folks, time will tell. KUK made a accurate response on the effect to the population, to be neglible based on this being a micro issue. I totally agree, I don't question their limits on Kaw.

I do think if this were to become more prevalent and a problem a 10" limit could be one way to solve it, and that is why I mentioned a 10" limit. Anyone in their right mind would not use a keeper crappie over 10" for bait. I was really suprised that someone would do this with crappie in Kaw, the lake has forage to grow the fish.

Again, I think it is logical to use stunted crappie for bait, so my respect comes from their sportfish potential in a reservior fully capable of realizing that potential.

It's also a safe assumption ODWC could not print an article in Outdoor Oklahoma of this use of Kaw crappie as a good sell, in other words it would not be appealing to crappie fishermen and thats my point. Show 'em respect.

My beef with the law is that when you ok sportfish for bait things like this happen. Slick had it right it is not a huge deal, but something to think about. I also knew a guy who shot a big buck, took his horns and left the rest, he was just too busy. We have an obligation to eat or donate our edible fish/prey, that is just good conservation.
Posted on Friday Dec 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM  
One more thing and I will stand by this till the cows come home--
My Quote:I think we have an obilagtion to eat what is edible, for stewardship. (or donate) AMEN
Posted on Friday Dec 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM  
wait I forgot to bold it I think
Posted on Friday Dec 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM  
Then again when ya get right down to it, it's all edible...ain't it? Well maybe except the hide and the hair.
Posted on Friday Dec 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM  

Originally posted by NCat

Anyone in their right mind would not use a keeper crappie over 10" for bait. I was really suprised that someone would do this with crappie in Kaw, the lake has forage to grow the fish.

I do not eat crappie and think they taste horrible. I only eat and fish for catfish. With that said, i caught my biggest flathead ever on a crappie that was over 10"...actually the biggest crappie i have ever personally seen.
Posted on Friday Dec 14, 2012 at 4:49 PM  
Yea, lets go bear hunting
Posted on Friday Dec 14, 2012 at 4:54 PM  
Clyde, you must be right handed, and in your left mind. I said right mind above lol I am through being serious on this.
Posted on Friday Dec 14, 2012 at 7:02 PM  
"If someone can't bring up a topic that affects the definition of a sportfish(and whether it should be used for bait) what can you say?" End of quote.

I guess I don't have much else too say, this one is about to wear me slick, so I'm out.
Posted on Saturday Dec 15, 2012 at 1:47 PM  
Oh, by the way, the term is wanton waste.
Posted on Saturday Dec 15, 2012 at 5:12 PM  
Does it matter?
Ncat has his set of ethics and we have our individual set.
I wouldn't chum good tasting crapppie. I seldom eat bass because I feel bad for the bass boys. Ha!
But that's just me.
Now you want to know what bothers me?
Naw - don't need the war right now. Too tired.
Posted on Saturday Dec 15, 2012 at 5:29 PM  
Come on, let it out, you will feel better!
Posted on Monday Dec 17, 2012 at 4:57 PM  
ODWC is one of the FEW states which RECOGNIZES its a fish eat fish world

That being said - any fish used for chum (makes no difference which one) is only an extremely small percentage of what gets eaten between species on any watershed in a given day.

There is no waste in the natural world - and there really is no sound biological reason to restrict chumming or fishing with any species as fecund as sunfish - of which crappie are one --

You have to look at reproductive replacement in the watersheds from which fish come -

I for one don't want to see a nanny state regulation on legal fish to use as bait.

Chumming with fish pieces on any legally caught species is OK in Oklahoma -as for game fish its part of your creel limit, doesn't make me particularly happy game fish can be used in such manner, but its nothing compared to what goes on underwater every minute and its what we pay $$$$$$$$ for ODWC to manage.

Now if the fella in question is EXCEEDING his daily possession limit/or size restrictions for crappie to make his chum he is in the wrong -
Those who would give up constitutional freedoms to elected officials in exchange for a false sense of security, deserve neither freedom or security.
Posted on Tuesday Dec 18, 2012 at 12:16 AM  
Tony, I respect you and Tiny, as much as anyone on the board. Thanks again for the channel cat you gave me, that you got below Kaw on hoppers, a few years back.

I wish I'd said what I said a little more tactfully, don't like to offend, but I don't see it a good use of a sportfish. That's mine and a buddy's (lake record holder) opinion, who does crappie fish. If using sportfish for bait does not become a problem, no biggie. Time will tell. Few on this website are going to support using intact striper for chum, me included.

This colum should be titled, more like use of sportfish, not want and waste or blantant- wanton waste, which is the correct legal term, apparently. The guy did not waste it according to our laws, so no, I did not title this colum correctly.

Was looking on geezers website in the warden colum, and noticed on the Texas side of Texoma and the rest of Texas, it is illegal to grind up sportfish for chum. Looks like a good use of the scraps, but too complicated, I guess, destroys evidence if they needed it.

I would wager there is more wanton waste these days than there was a few decades back. Bass fishermen don't fish for food in tournaments and some horn hunter's don't hunt for meat. I like to know the bass guys put their dead catch on ice and see that it gets cooked, that respects the fish. Heck, I smoked a 17 lb carp for my dogs and no I don't expect anyone else to do that. Tell you the truth I tasted it and could eat it, if necessary. My boy is a scout and they say to be thrifty and I taught 'em something. I knew a good, hard working business guy that really did kill a trophy buck and was too busy to even take it to share the harvest. I've heard of guys that kill a doe sometimes to bait coyotes, when they could pick 'em up off the highways.

I get up in the night sometimes to go clean my fish, if I've put it off, just ain't right to waste it. I am not any better than anyone, just trying to get people to think. Outdoor folk need to keep our image up to assure a future for hunting and fishing. Been praying for your wife.
Posted on Tuesday Dec 18, 2012 at 5:18 AM  
I want you to know that I agree with you when it comes to respecting wildlife and being a good steward of what God has given us. I rarely hunt or fish a second time with someone that misuses or abuses any of our precious resources.
To the best of my knowledge most, if not all of the people on the Notebook are good stewards and excellent sportsman. Most are acutely aware of the fish and game laws, both on the books and proposed - and have given those laws and proposals a great deal of thought and some healthy debate here on this site.
Everyone's opinion is welcome here - but you should fully expect to have to defend it.
Please accept my apology if I have offended you, it was certainly not my intention.
Posted on Tuesday Dec 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM  
I completely agree with Cal. I think you have to respect the wildlife if you are to be a true outdoorsman. Definitely aren't trying to start a fight but don't bash someone's way of doing things if you aren't prepared for the backlash. I think most of us all feel the need to support each other when it comes to fish and game and I hate to see a guy get bashed for doing something legal.
Posted on Tuesday Dec 18, 2012 at 10:48 AM  
dhop with no bad intent, I was bringing up what he did with the fish, not who he was, what his boat looked like etc. Could have been more tactful and that is a skill in itself.

A point I would like to make is being legal does not always make something right. In this country you can have a "doctor" kill a 269 day old baby in the womb, that would be born and wiggling in his moma's arms the next day. Discrimination was legal for a long time in our country and imagine how courageous someone would be, to have protested that in the South. This issue is not so black and white and only two guys opinion for discussion, all due respect intended.

Something a little more on topic is our law(unless its recently changed) which allows hunting/fishing on private land that is not posted or conspiciously occupied. Then you see ask first bumper stickers on ODWC trucks. So ethics beyond the law is not absent with ODWC. That is a real complicated issue in itself.

I enjoy defending stuff, but need to learn some diplomacy.
Posted on Tuesday Dec 18, 2012 at 1:00 PM  
Yes that has been changed. Landowners are no longer required to post every 50 feet of their property, and tresspassing laws and punishments are getting harsher. I havent seen it stop tresspassers yet, though.
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