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Posted on Monday Apr 1, 2013 at 9:10 AM  
JDS - I made my experience known here some time ago when ODWC FIRST came up with the processing station idea - you can go back and read the threads from a few years ago about it --

You DID FINALLY ADMIT ODWC created a monster in the processing center, in fact if ya'll had really done your research you would have seen what happened in South Dakota Paddlefish populations when they started buying roe --


Its great that you got research you didn't have before, BUT this has gone EXACTLY as I predicted four years ago --


While Grand lake populations at the time were not under threat, the advent of troll snagging and better electronics will continue to decimate what WAS a largely untapped fishery -

I still believe it is WRONG THINKING for the state to take a public resource unto itself to turn a profit from ROE to fund research and ancillary projects

Its even crazier to do so when ODWC ENFORCEMENT also believes this was a bad idea

You have enough data now to last a lifetime -- this whole idea needs review - I have no problem with limiting harvest - but ODWC DID open Pandora's box here

Glad ya'll can admit it --
Those who would give up constitutional freedoms to elected officials in exchange for a false sense of security, deserve neither freedom or security.
Posted on Monday Apr 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM  
So reading through all of this, the state makes a buck off of the roe? Is all the roe gathered at the processing station? How much is the profit? Just curious. Never caught a paddlefish or plan to but this discussion is kind of enlightening.
Posted on Monday Apr 1, 2013 at 3:18 PM  
I caught part of this Sunday morning while getting ready for church. Click on the "Outdoor Oklahoma - Television" tab on the left and you can watch the current episode which shows you how they process the fish...

http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/weekly_news.htm
Posted on Monday Apr 1, 2013 at 3:42 PM  
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Originally posted by Tony_Hughes

JDS - I made my experience known here some time ago when ODWC FIRST came up with the processing station idea - you can go back and read the threads from a few years ago about it --

You DID FINALLY ADMIT ODWC created a monster in the processing center, in fact if ya'll had really done your research you would have seen what happened in South Dakota Paddlefish populations when they started buying roe --
Its great that you got research you didn't have before, BUT this has gone EXACTLY as I predicted four years ago --


If you can provide me a link, I'd be happy to read it.

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Originally posted by Tony_Hughes

While Grand lake populations at the time were not under threat, the advent of troll snagging and better electronics will continue to decimate what WAS a largely untapped fishery -

I agree with you on this. Unfortunately, this is not a phenomenon limited to our state boundaries. Range-wide, paddlefish have received more fishing pressure (recreational and commercial) in the last decade due to increasing roe demand as a result of the crash of sturgeon stocks overseas. In fact, another one of our state species - the shovelnose sturgeon - is experiencing the same thing in states where it is not afforded protection.

We no longer have commercial fishing in OK, but the rec. fishing is certainly easier than it was decades ago, when you had to stand on a muddy bank jerking a hook.

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Originally posted by Tony_Hughes

I still believe it is WRONG THINKING for the state to take a public resource unto itself to turn a profit from ROE to fund research and ancillary projects

Its even crazier to do so when ODWC ENFORCEMENT also believes this was a bad idea

You have enough data now to last a lifetime -- this whole idea needs review - I have no problem with limiting harvest - but ODWC DID open Pandora's box here

Glad ya'll can admit it --


The department thinking at the time was that it was "salvaging a currently discarded resource." For protection of the species which was vulnerable to black-market poaching and overfishing, certain regulations were put in place years ago to limit the legal means of egg harvest and transport. This allowed for better law enforcement and control of the black-market abuse of the resource.

To be clear, I wasn't involved with the decisions leading to the PRC... I was hired afterwards. Therefore, I may not truly understand or accurately convey the big-picture motivations from an ecological or economic standpoint. What I type here is from a biologist's perspective, having joined the program midstream.

For clarity here- ODWC Law Enforcement was HEAVILY involved with the decision-making process leading to 1) the regulations we have had in the past, currently have, and will have, 2) the research and development upon which the Paddlefish Research Center was founded, and 3) plays a vital role in the success of the program. Therefore, to sat that ODWC Law Enforcement does not support the PRC is an unjust assertion.

One key point that needs to be reinforced here is that ODWC has consistently solicited public opinion on this project. We perform a summer survey of all paddlefish permit holders annually and the responses are overwhelmingly positive. The public supports the program and they trust that we are making responsible decisions with resource management.

The program is under constant review.

Jason ODWC Paddlefish Biologist
E-Check your paddlefish harvest HERE
Posted on Tuesday Apr 2, 2013 at 11:02 AM  
Thank you for your reasoned response

I guess there are many ways to look at this - USFWS is restocking former paddlefish ranges over the dams, I think its great to see restoration of this fish where we can

BTW had more than one enforcement officer relate what they think about this but on record they have to toe the line --

Whats waste? It depends on how you look at this - for the STATE to profit off a public trust resource goes against what the charter of ODWC states - WILDLIFE CONSERVATION, how do you conserve the resource when you now know this year class can rapidly disappear - theoretically we can now target Paddlefish populations year round in deep lake areas

On the ROE issue - if the state can profit so should the citizen who captures a fish - make roe sales legal, drive the price down, and put severe restrictions on harvest - 4 tagged fish a year per person and you are DONE. Catch and release snagging otherwise

Have any studies been done on delayed mortality after snagged fish are released?

I can see where this is a cash cow for ODWC and at that point it ceases to become research -- the fishery isn't over exploited YET, but it easily could be - the processing center has really gotten all the data it can - now its just a snagger convenience area and egg collection point - I have to ask myself if it went away how many more fish might be released --

I see the Russians(and those paid by them) all over the state, snagging from airboats, below dams and yet I haven't seen many cases made other than the "accidental apprehension" by OHP last year on I-35 - there isn't enough enforcement to go around - I dropped a dime many times because I run areas most average fishermen don't, the Russian aren't dummies, you won't see em much around the Center area - they are on the back woods riverbends, with coolers and knives - the waste here is paddlefish carcases tossed for the price of illegal roe -

Go to North Dakotas North Star Caviar site - and go back to the start of their processing project the chart how the fishery has incrementally shut down harvest and how large individual specimens have declined over inception - perhaps anecdotal but the charts are there to view -- it was pretty much a local angler harvest before the egg sales -
Those who would give up constitutional freedoms to elected officials in exchange for a false sense of security, deserve neither freedom or security.
Posted on Tuesday Apr 2, 2013 at 4:08 PM  
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Originally posted by Tony_Hughes

Thank you for your reasoned response
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On the ROE issue - if the state can profit so should the citizen who captures a fish - make roe sales legal, drive the price down, and put severe restrictions on harvest - 4 tagged fish a year per person and you are DONE. Catch and release snagging otherwise

Unfortunately, our fishery isn't that simple. Setting an annual limit of 4 would not reduce harvest significantly. Our average angler harvests 2.4 fish per year (if I recall correctly... 2012 data). An annual harvest limit would have to be 2 fish per angler to have a realistic impact. Setting the AHL at 2 would only affect a minority of anglers (I can't recall the numbers, but maybe 30%). We have MANY anglers keeping few fish.

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Originally posted by Tony_Hughes

...Have any studies been done on delayed mortality after snagged fish are released?
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Yes. Last spring, we did a pilot study on fish movements after being snagged and released. This spring, we are doing the full study monitoring 20 fish. Early results indicate that the fish do not abandon spawning migration after having been severely stressed by being caught. No strong indication of mortality. More later on this.
Jason ODWC Paddlefish Biologist
E-Check your paddlefish harvest HERE
Posted on Wednesday Apr 17, 2013 at 1:10 PM  
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Yes. Last spring, we did a pilot study on fish movements after being snagged and released. This spring, we are doing the full study monitoring 20 fish. Early results indicate that the fish do not abandon spawning migration after having been severely stressed by being caught. No strong indication of mortality. More later on this.



Here is an article that talks about what we are looking at:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Kelly_Bostian_Paddlefish_mortality_in_catch_and_release/20130414_29_B10_CUTLIN246791
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